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Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:05:00 - [1] No the names arn't password protected unfortunately.
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:05:00 - [2] No the names arn't password protected unfortunately.
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Vrix Xin on 17/06/2008 06:30:57 Edited by: Vrix Xin on 17/06/2008 06:27:55 Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 17/06/2008 06:11:54 You gave 420mil to an unsecured third party. They have every right to give you nothing and take your money. You have no sympathy from me. Congratulations. Well to be fair, Selene claims to backup all games from any scams (she even takes a 1 billion isk insurance from new bankers, however I believe the scam protection only protects players from banker scams). HOWEVER, in my opinion, the banker banking the game should have realized what was going on and stopped it immediately, in not doing so they only added to the problem and they should really be at fault for it (and more importantly, have been the one to refund gilca 420 million isk, not selene). On a more unfortunate note, gilca was already complaining about someone faking to be gilca before the game even started. However the bankers ignored it entirely and started the game anyways, even after the person faking to be gilca asked the banker to restart the game. Its a shame Gilca didn't get a full refund, howver I guess in the end you just have to remember this is eve. :/
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:39:00 - [4] Edited by: Vrix Xin on 17/06/2008 06:40:55 Originally by: Avaricha Halo Originally by: Asuka Smith As a former banker I can say that I am sure Selene did not screw you with the intention of screwing you, and I am sure there is more to this than "sorry, too bad" on his end. However trying to settle with you for less than you put in is certainly in poor taste. Selene couldnt find any evidence on his claims. For all she knows gilch is scamming her. This is EVE after all. He oughta be glad he got some reimbursements. I think you miss the point. Many of the players were/still are under the belief that Selene kept some form of IP logs to protect against this, apparently this isn't possible due to the software limitations of the poker program in use (to be fixed within the week). For what its worth, I know for a fact the entire situation isn't a scam by gilca. I was on the table at the time in question and the player who logged on to take his place was definitely not gilca (Minus the fact that the "Name" of the character was the same, everything else on the poker character was different such as location, avatar, etc. Not to mention the fact that the player joined the game and just kept going all in till he/she had wasted all of gilca's chips.)
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Asuka Smith Which sounds about right, I mean this claim of scamz has just as much credence as all those guys who post about how they did not buy ISK and why is my wallet negative??? However the reports of people calling foul before the game even started and the bankers being inattentive... Oh well, I know how it goes, shame that for such a huge buy-in this happened but risks are taken on both sides. Well I think the frustration on Gilca's side has more to do with that the players in EOH like playing there because they feel their playing in a reputable channel and under a owner who did keep logs and/or refund scamming of this nature. I'm sure gilca recognizes it wasn't selene who scammed him, it was the player pretending to be him. However all the anger is directed at selene since 1) There were no IP logs kept by the channel owner (I was actually surprised about this one) 2) There was blatant calls to stop the game even before it started and they were totally ignored 3) Even after both 1 and 2 Gilca wasn't even given his full buyin back despite the fact that a player addmitted to having done this in channel.
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 17/06/2008 07:13:57 Not gonna lie Puncher I stopped reading after you said you worked professional customer service. (Because at that point I realized you were lying) Well to sum it up, he basically said selene should have paid anyways to maintain the reputation of her service, however i can pretty much guarantee this won't damage it much if any, just based on the sheer fact that not many people will end up reading it.
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:35:00 - [7] Edited by: Vrix Xin on 17/06/2008 07:36:02 Originally by: Thirzarr Hm, I do understand Selene being VERY carefull about who to give money to. On the other hand: If gilca * wasn't at the table * payed the buyin then... erm... what would be the "loss" of giving byck the buyin? Am I missing something? Or did another "gilca" play your money at the table? So... someone else had your poker login? wonders This is the part that makes no sense at all. To me, at least. Q: Did someone else use YOUR login to the poker game and CLAIM to be you and play that round? Qa): If yes: why did he have you password/login? Qb): If no password is needed: ermm... no, cant be THAT unsecured, can it? Its quite some isk involved, I'm shure "registered and veryfied" is required to play, no? => So: either its your fault by giving away your login-data or choosing such bad data that it was guessed instantly (like "Just Enter" being the password)... In that case you can be more then happy with a "supportive reimbursement to stay on your feet". => Or: There has been done a terrible job at securing this kind of game. This being the obvious duty of the Corp it was wantonly negligent to not take precaution and therefore a full reimbursement would be suitable. Remember: Selene organized this and I'm pretty shure that 420 Mill buyin isn't worth the time spent in creating all this. So I'd suggest you behave less like a modern-day-politician and more like a person of honor. Whats the worst thing that could have happened to you at the table? Right: Loosing everything. So you have to have expected this. Don't panic now. the current service is unsecured (anyone can login and "pretend" to be you, aall you have to do is type in a player name before you get on a table.). I'm pretty sure this has actually already happened before, however never has it happened (to my knowledge) in a game with 420 million isk buy ins. EDIT: However this will all be fixed in a week when the new poker client is implemented that will not allow name scamming and things of that nature (bit too late though unfortunately)
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Wakari Masen So I dont get it, if gilca is lying... what would he be getting out of it? He's not lying for the record, however some would claim that he is lying just to destroy the poker reputation.
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:45:00 - [9] Originally by: PuncherDavis Originally by: Wakari Masen So I dont get it, if gilca is lying... what would he be getting out of it? Nothing just the initial 420 million buy it...Seems kind of strange because most people be like yeah man i won 750 mill man pay me 600 mil and well call it even wink wink although this is somewhat pointless. The game type being played at the time was called a "double game" where the top half of the table still standing (after the other hafl runs out of chips) gets 2x their buy in. I've watched gilca play in these and he wins most of the time. A guy like him doesn't need to go all in every single hand to win it. I think the specfics are besides the point though.
Vrix Xin	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Zanarkand He could have lost a few first hands and seen that he isn't likely to win anymore... and he thought he would be better off pretending to be scammed and possibly be refunded. Or has this been proven(!) wrong? Sorry, I didn't read all the logs... Based on the timetable of events, he was already saying he couldn't get in before the game even started.

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